What do you (or not) like in your Quicksand vids

[H8ms2014]

Likes: Natural scenes
Decent, Unique plots
Drama
Submersion and small amount of bubbles
Submersion with rescue, solo or group
Submersion with failed rescue, solo or group
Near Submersion with rescue, solo or group
Good acting or better

Dislikes: The aforementioned camera clicks(We don't need to continue this point do we?)
Catching crew caught in the shots
Bad stories

[A20]

I just hate when you see a woman about to sink to her crotch and suddenly it cuts to a different shot. I mean COME ON.

[Viridian]

Dislikes:
Disinterested acting - it's a buzzkill to see completely flat "I don't want to be here" looks
Production equipment in the shot (cameras, camera clicks, tripods, crew members)
Aimless struggling - I don't enjoy watching someone splashing around for five minutes
Pretending that watery Hollywood sand is really thick. It isn't and we know it.
Excessive screaming and moaning
Repeated video sequences
Long exposition shots that involve wandering around
Extended sequences in which the model is clearly trying to step into the quicksand "accidentally"

Likes:
New ways to get the model into the quicksand
"Active" scenes that involve the character actually doing something rather than blundering into quicksand like an idiot
Actual sinking, progressively, and change in depth (up and down), rather than staying at the same depth for the majority of the time
For solo scenes, just the right lines at the right times
A good amount of enthusiasm and energy or "chemistry" in multi-model scenes
Multiple sinks in one scene

[Antares]

Repeated video sequences

I can't remember any repeated sequences but it ties in to what I was saying about sink progression. If the actress is constantly up and down in the mud it's like repetition (to me).

[Viridian]

Repeated video sequences

I can't remember any repeated sequences but it ties in to what I was saying about sink progression. If the actress is constantly up and down in the mud it's like repetition (to me).

My dislike refers more to scenes that are recycled from the same concept/script. For me, personally, I like my video purchases to be unique experiences that offer something I haven't seen before. This is why all my favourite clips are from Jim Weathers. They're few and far in between, but I find them exciting to watch and re-watch because each clip is distinct. In contrast, I have a hard time getting into some of the MPV clips (e.g. ___________ in Bleck) and Studio 588 (I don't know the difference between all the Das Boots and Lucid Dreams - just from a consumer POV, you've seen them all once you've seen one. I don't really care *who* is in the scene, they're still pulling out a pair of boots / hit by a blowdart and wake up tied from a tree / having wardrobe malfunctions and running into quicksand).

[Fred588]

Repeated video sequences

I can't remember any repeated sequences but it ties in to what I was saying about sink progression. If the actress is constantly up and down in the mud it's like repetition (to me).

My dislike refers more to scenes that are recycled from the same concept/script. For me, personally, I like my video purchases to be unique experiences that offer something I haven't seen before. This is why all my favourite clips are from Jim Weathers. They're few and far in between, but I find them exciting to watch and re-watch because each clip is distinct. In contrast, I have a hard time getting into some of the MPV clips (e.g. ___________ in Bleck) and Studio 588 (I don't know the difference between all the Das Boots and Lucid Dreams - just from a consumer POV, you've seen them all once you've seen one. I don't really care *who* is in the scene, they're still pulling out a pair of boots / hit by a blowdart and wake up tied from a tree / having wardrobe malfunctions and running into quicksand).

This is a perfect example of the fact that if you ask 10 different members here what they like the most probable number of different replies is at least 11. I am of the opinion that the slogan "its not the mud on the women, its the women in the mud." is also quite true for many, (clearly not all) of us here.

[Kinky Desires]

Repeated video sequences

I can't remember any repeated sequences but it ties in to what I was saying about sink progression. If the actress is constantly up and down in the mud it's like repetition (to me).

My dislike refers more to scenes that are recycled from the same concept/script. For me, personally, I like my video purchases to be unique experiences that offer something I haven't seen before. This is why all my favourite clips are from Jim Weathers. They're few and far in between, but I find them exciting to watch and re-watch because each clip is distinct. In contrast, I have a hard time getting into some of the MPV clips (e.g. ___________ in Bleck) and Studio 588 (I don't know the difference between all the Das Boots and Lucid Dreams - just from a consumer POV, you've seen them all once you've seen one. I don't really care *who* is in the scene, they're still pulling out a pair of boots / hit by a blowdart and wake up tied from a tree / having wardrobe malfunctions and running into quicksand).

This is a perfect example of the fact that if you ask 10 different members here what they like the most probable number of different replies is at least 11. I am of the opinion that the slogan "its not the mud on the women, its the women in the mud." is also quite true for many, (clearly not all) of us here.

I'm with you on that one Fred! Each different actress will put their own unique stamp on the same script, even if they're not aware they're doing it. So I'm all for recycling the ideas with different actresses! For example (and I don't want to risk the thread going off-topic here so if you have a different opinion on this, keep it to yourself ) when I first heard that they were making a Supergirl TV series and Melissa Benoist from "Glee" was playing the lead role, (and I am a big fan of Glee) my initial reactions were along the lines of "she won't make a very good Supergirl, she's not even blonde!", and "I wish they could've cast Laura Vandervoort as Supergirl again". I watched it regardless, and I can honestly say I think Melissa is the best thing about the whole show, so she totally proved me wrong there!

Anyways, back on topic!... here's my response on this one:

First, my (rather large) purchasing history which I think covers all known producers!:

Digital downloads: Over 300 scenes produced by MPV (including practically all of the MPV bleck scenes!), over 60 scenes produced by PRP (including all of their Buried in Sand scenes), over 40 scenes by Studio 588, over 30 scenes by DiDVP, over 30 scenes from Kaol's UMD store, all (I think) 21 of Jim's QS scenes from Bondage Cafe (including one as a custom - see my sig), 16 scenes from quicksandgirls.com (basically all except for two!), 8 Scenes from Devilclown (which I think was all he ever made?), 7 from downloaddreams.com, 7 very old scenes from wavemovies.com, 5 scenes from Jumpoff Joe, 3 scenes from Mudlover's Damsel in Distress UMD/C4S stores, 2 from Anastasia Pierce, 1 from Nessie, and finally, 1 from Mudbunny!

Plus four DVD's, which are: "The Adventures of O-Girl" (from Jim), "Kaol's Quicksand Collection Vol. 4" (From Kaol, obviously!), and "Jana Dreams" & "The Trap" (from the no-longer existing german site, bqs-video.de)

I also have lots of content from former memberships at Messyfun and Archenemys

And now my likes/dislikes:

Likes: (in order of preference, most liked first)
- Bondage while sinking, the more thorough it is, the better! My ultimate fantasy would be a modern day (i.e. HD) version of Kaol's "Christy North Fetish Fantasy", but with a less watery bog - something like Studio 588's thick peat bog would be perfect for it!
- Models who are not actually sinking in quicksand, but are buried in sand or mud up to at least chest depth and are totally stuck!
- Superheroines in quicksand traps!
- Slow steady sinks
- When the model trys to push herself up with her arms and has a little success, but ultimately ends up getting her arms stuck too (expertly demonstrated by Christina Carter in the O-Girl clip that Acidtester recently drew a tribute of!)
- Natural locations, or in the case of artifical ones, a thick consistency for the bog
- a look of physical exertion on the model's face as if they are finding it hard to even move once they are below hip depth
- Overhead views when the bog is thick and fairly dry so that you get to see the rippling movement of the bog and the way it 'hugs' the model's body (Seductive Flower by quicksandgirls is great example of this)
- Hollywood style QS when the model puts on a good believable performance
- Failed attempts at self rescue e.g. broken vines, plant stems that break, overhead tree stumps that are difficult to reach and cause the model to get exhausted and worn out from all the effort of pulling themselves up!
- Removal of clothing in an attempt to 'snag' a branch or something

Dislikes: (most disliked first)
- When a model sinks up to their chin, says something like OMG OMG I don't wanna drown in this and then immediately proceeds to blatantly dunk their head quickly under the surface, rather than giving the appearance that they are trying to survive and stay above the surface for as long as they can!
- Background camera clicking (again!), I never bother with pictures anyway - it's all about the videos for me!
- Background music
- Too much dialogue
- Watery bogs of any description. Even if the mud is generally thick, visible puddles of water near the area where the model is sinking still put me off, because the puddle often waters down the bog.
- Lots of walking around before the quicksand is encountered

[dlodoski]

A very interesting and, potentially, useful thread... useful would be facts such as how many videos (not teasers) one has actually purchaed,

Excellent point. If you've been watching videos since the early days the quality and variety of what is out there now is quite different.

Let me start by saying, I was watching my copy of "Late for work" that I lawfully purchased at MPV.

I think threads like this are great. Just wanted to clarify that Late for Work is from DIDVP and you must have purchased it through Club MPV. A certain producer would have a stroke if he though you heard too much camera noise.

Yea, folks (intentionally) have no idea how much effort goes into removing camera clicks from MPV videos. And how we occasionally shoot replacement dialogue for instances of untimely still shots.

It's all part of trying to maintain high production quality - often at the expense of release rates.

In any case, this is a very useful thread. And I appreciate the time posters have put into their comments.

[Quicksand_Hex]

Context: Only really started buying scenes in the past few years. The days when DVDs, or even earlier with VHS, were the primary way to get videos, I wasn't a part of.

Things I like:

-Thick quicksand. I've been loving MPVBleck, it's so grabby and dangerous feeling. I'm excited to see more scenes beyond the very basic plop and sink style, though iirc Dave said there's some on the way, so that'll be awesome. Peat is awesome when it's thick, less so when it's watery. Clay is usually good. Natural quicksand is good if it's deep enough.

-Girl next door, cute but kinda plain actresses.

-Impressions style scenes. I like a lot of the "first time in quicksand" videos. Genuine reactions as the actresses experience a kinda scary thing for the first time and learn that it's not so scary. Descriptions of what it feels like.

-Good times turned bad. Especially non-erotic ones. Bog Schmog(I believe by MPV?) was FANTASTIC, and I would love more scenes like it. Playing in the quicksand, having fun, goofing around, until suddenly there's no bottom and you're not getting out. Such a delicious trap.

Things I don't care for:

-Lots of moaning or screaming. I know acting is a lot harder when your dialog is limited and most of your body is underground, but going over the top with these puts me off pretty quick.

-Quick drops. This probably pairs well with my thick quicksand point. It's no fun if they jump in and suddenly they're up to their waist. Knees or mid thighs should be the highest the mud initially reaches. I don't mind it as much in MPVBleck, because the descent is slow enough that I still get to watch it, but it'd be cool to find a way to slow that down more as well.

-Lack of progress in a sink. When an actress is down to her chest, and 3 seconds later she's gained a foot back, and not long after she's lost it again. This is probably hard to control from an acting perspective, but I view anything the quicksand claims as "lost", and it can only be won back with a hard fight, not just floating back up. Not sure how much this could be prevented though, because physics and stuff.

-Coverage. I don't mind the actresses' body getting all muddy, but I want to see their face through the whole scene. I know some people here think differently, an there's room for both kinds of scenes, but I lose interest really quickly when I can't see their face anymore.

[Nessie]

I just hate when you see a woman about to sink to her crotch and suddenly it cuts to a different shot. I mean COME ON.

That, actually, is one of the big beefs I have with mainstream quicksand scenes, which are written for people who don't care about quicksand and think that the horrified face of a bystander while the sinkee sinks a foot or two off-camera heightens the drama somehow (at this moment, I don't care what the bystander thinks!) or that implied sinking that doesn't show all of the sinking allows one to fill in the blanks with one's mind to make it all more scary (now, please treat my mind like it needs to learn what quicksand is from scratch, thank you!)

That could be exactly why some of us went into video production.

Nessie