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Re: Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so

Postby Nessie » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:08 am

Duncan Edwards wrote:
Seriously, he had to get a full time job to make money. What does that tell you? ;)


i remember reading something on UMD about "Dirty Muse" just not breaking even, so that's probably right, but like I just said...belief isn't the same as knowing...however, another search doesn't turn up the blankety-blank thread, so I guess we have to go with that as a belief!

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Postby Nessie » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:18 am

mudxdresser wrote:And, on the piracy front, I recently acquired a program that will embed a hidden stenographic code in a video that will supposedly survive being re-encoded into another video format


When you nail this process down, I have a suggestion from the very bowels of my recent intense YouTubing.

Yes, do a hidden code, but also include a visible unique serial number somewhere on every copy.

This will separate the smart pirates from the stupid pirates. And in the case of the stupid, it will make the identities easy to track (when they get a new account and re-upload your video to the same place without changing anything at all).

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Postby mudxdresser » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:24 am

Thank you for the suggestion, I will certainly take that under consideration. The issue to resolve is whether having a visible serial number might somehow enable someone to artificially create a bogus copy and embed that serial number in it themselves and then widely distribute it to effectively nullify the original registration or confuse the whole registration issue. After all, the program I found is shareware and available to all.

Something to keep in mind about Dirty Muse's profitability, there is an apples and oranges comparability issue involved because, if I'm remembering this correctly, Phil is the only producer who uses film or something high end like that. Whatever the technical aspect of that, the point is that he deliberately incurs the extra cost as a matter of personal pride in artistic expression of quality, not to maximize his profit. So, based strictly on production cost, Phil has always been at a disadvantage from a profit standpoint.

Or perhaps a better way to say it is that Phil tested the proposition of whether the marketplace would favor the purchase of very high quality video over other video. Viewed from that perspective, that's really very different than saying he engaged in some sort of profit contest and lost.

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Postby Nessie » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:00 pm

mudxdresser wrote:Thank you for the suggestion, I will certainly take that under consideration. The issue to resolve is whether having a visible serial number might somehow enable someone to artificially create a bogus copy and embed that serial number in it themselves and then widely distribute it to effectively nullify the original registration or confuse the whole registration issue. After all, the program I found is shareware and available to all.


I didn't realize you were planning to register these as if they were software.

I don't think that if they did that, that it would nullify anything. Piracy is illegal, and that is the end of that, with or without a serial number -- and the fact that there's a serial number on it plus a registration means that there is no way they could possibly plead ignorance.

I'm kind of confused, though. The only way that this could work for them would be to replace the original number that you put on with a completely new one.

What a lot of work for them to go through -- that's much more than the average person could ever do -- plus, you could still trace it because you have the number hidden somewhere on it too.

I think you're going to have many more stupid pirates than smart ones.

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Postby mudxdresser » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:49 am

Moving this thread back to its original topic, I think the takeaway point is that declaring what you want to see is not going to make it happen. The only way you're going to get what you want is to make it happen. The existing mud video producers are not interested in or willing to do most of what you're wanting to see.

Not what you wanted to hear but let me see if I can help get you started. It will be easier if you have help so I suggest using the various forums to network with others who have similar interests AND who are willing to devote time, money, or other resources to making it happen.

And I have a suggestion when it comes time to finding your models, realize that you will probably have to spend a good deal of time training them to perform in such a manner as for them to be worth even filming. That is what I did and one of the reasons I am short on male/female sex scenes, almost all of my models ultimately flunked Mudfucking 101 so I never filmed them again. All I had left to show for the effort were basically their audition videos meant only to get them used to working on camera. You're going to need to do the same thing in all likelihood and have the same problem. However, if you stick with it, you will eventually get a set of models trained who can get the job done.

Camera work is something of an art, some take to it like a duck to water, some don't. Case in point, I had a good friend who is a skilled train photographer who makes good money selling his photos run a second video camera for me at a mud filming session. Towards the end of the filming session I finally realized what it was that just didn't quite look right off on the other side of the mudpit, my friend kept turning the video camera sideways like a still camera thinking he could "frame" it better that way. His footage was worthless. So, you may be able to learn the ropes with a video camera or you may never be good at it. You may be able to get help on that from some of us on these forums who know how to wrangle a camera or direct a model but it will depend heavily on what you are wanting filmed.

And ultimately, as always, you're going to have to deal with where to get your mud to film in. There are only so many natural mud or quarry locations out there and your odds of there being one in your immediate vicinity are not good. And you cannot get or buy permission to film at most of the really good ones so you need to determine early on whether you want to have to deal with the trespassing aspect as well. Given some of the scenarios some of you are interested in, I would avoid that aspect if possible as it would complicate things if anything goes wrong.

So, I'm basically recommending you use a "backyard" mudpit initially. However, that can be a great advantage for what you're doing as by doing that you may be able to construct it in such a manner as to simplify creating the illusion you want to film. For instance, what about a mechanical lifting/lowering device that has loops for folks to hold on to with their feet or hands so that the sinking looks more realistic? Nothing ruins a sinking video like seeing the model having to artificially pull themselves under the mud, we like those arms up at the surface splattering mud everywhere instead now don't we!

Or maybe you also need to recruit a diver for your crew. That would be the safest way to pull models down. He anchors himself on the bottom and pulls them down and, most importantly, can also assist them back up to the surface. And that brings up the last thing to consider. Most of the scenarios you are envisioning beyond just sex in the mud involve additional risk beyond that incurred when just submerging in the mud. Don't even consider using anything other than clay, forget sand and corn starch, the danger is just too great. And watch out for stray water on your mudpit, keep it all at one consistency, stray water can suddenly rush into a mouth when least expected. Plan ahead for an accident and have meaningful provision for handling it at hand like someone with the specific skills to restore an airway. Make sure you have means at hand to get a submerged model(s) out of all of that heavy mud within well under a minute. And never forget that when dealing with BDSM and/or breath play activities, accidents have a tendency to be viewed as possible manslaughter. Think about that beforehand and let that guide the manner in which you provide for the safety of your models.

Sounds like a lot of work, it is! And perhaps worth keeping in mind to counterbalance the normal tendency to feel frustrated with existing producers when you can't get them to film your personal fantasy. When you're asking them to up the ante into BDSM and/or breath play, you're really asking a lot.

I share that frustration with you and can only wish there were more mud video producers out there doing everything you could pretty much imagine, but then again, that's the downside of being a mud fetishist. Norman Normal type folks have an amazing variety of what they can walk into any porn store and buy. Not so for us. And, not all that long ago, there were exactly zero mud videos for us to buy. Things are better than that now but they are still not what we would have them. And on that note, I'd like to end by saying, we need more mud video producers who produce different stuff than what is produced now, but hey, we also need the mud video producers we have as they've already got part of our needs well covered in mud...

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Postby dlodoski » Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:25 am

mudxdresser wrote:....Sounds like a lot of work, it is! And perhaps worth keeping in mind to counterbalance the normal tendency to feel frustrated with existing producers when you can't get them to film your personal fantasy. When you're asking them to up the ante into BDSM and/or breath play, you're really asking a lot....

Thank you. :)

You are perhaps the most qualified of all to make such a statement. I appreciate your attempt to lend perspective to the topic.

I shoot a wider range of mud and qs material than anyone. But it doesn't mean I will shoot *everything* that's possible.

And, as I remarked earlier, I'll be happy read here about anyone ponying up and shooting quicksand sex scenes. Should be very entertaining. :)
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