Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so on)

[Duncan Edwards]

Well, not to make toooooo fine a point of it, but the world before somewhere in the mid-90's or so saw all of the nine VHS's I distributed. When the digital age arrived along with the accompanying rampant piracy, magically, I found it in my best interest to create two categories of folks, those that saw the world back then and those that see what came after. I must presume from your comments that you are from the more recent age. Think up a way I can protect my content and you too can enjoy what those from the pre-digital world enjoyed...

I've seen a fair amount of your work through various sources .Point of all this is that to create commercially viable videos you have to pay the talent, have decent production values, and put it online. No producer here is going to be able to lure some friends onto private land with a case of beer. I'm sure a lot of guys would volunteer but don't expect Candle Boxxx to let any of them touch her. As for an iron clad defense against piracy I'd suggest you maintain those VHS tapes a little longer and nobody will be able to do anything with them. They might as well be 8-tracks.

I still think the best bet is going to be getting a porn producer to include the occasional hardcore qs scene in their work. Either that or a couple who want to share their fun time with the world and have access to what they need.

[mudxdresser]

Actually, only the first of my nine VHS's ever ended up digitally pirated. And I can assure you that I am still set up to conveniently convert anything from the analog age to digital, records, reel-to-reel, cassettes, and even 8-tracks. However, most of my VHS, 8mm, and Hi-8 mud material was converted to digital over a decade a go to prevent deterioration. The interesting part was that the conversion to digital actually ended up increasing the video quality compared to the original media.

And since I was very successful at making money, to the point of it interfering with my day job, I might just know a little more about the commercial side of things than you give me credit for. Who do you think got Rob Blaine into business? And I'll repeat, I've never found it necessary to pay any male to be in a sex video, and, for the record, I've never filmed a friend or paid in beer. Note also that my production values were as good as anybody's, my 2-lux VHS camera was state of the art at the time, you had to pay at least 5 times what it cost to get even a modest improvement in quality. Everything you've ever seen of mine was from at least a 3rd or greater generation VHS copy, not exactly a fair representation of my original production quality.

And I can get the job done filming in difficult spots, like quarries, it just takes a whole lot more planning and attention to detail not to spook the models. If it's so difficult, why is it Phil (Dirty Muse) seems to be able to get the job done over and over again at these places using high quality talent?

Isn't that the elephant in the room on this thread? X-rated male/female mud scenes at outdoor locations have already been done successfully by several of us. But this fact seems to be conveniently ignored. What has not been done is to add the sinking element. Seems like the only interest here is in redirecting the focus of the thread away from the desire of many to see something more advanced.

[dlodoski]

.....Isn't that the elephant in the room on this thread? X-rated male/female mud scenes at outdoor locations have already been done successfully by several of us. But this fact seems to be conveniently ignored. What has not been done is to add the sinking element. Seems like the only interest here is in redirecting the focus of the thread away from the desire of many to see something more advanced.

I just read through this entire thread and cannot find any attempt to redirect the topic away from the remarks of the OP. Maybe I missed something.

It's not surprising that M/F sex scenes filmed in mud have not been mentioned here. There are other forum venues suited for that. The focus of this board is quicksand.

I think that some of the remarks here have been 'active QS producer biased'. That's not terribly surprising either.

I don't have a direct interest in this topic because I am not interested in hiring male models. I don't have any experience doing so, and don't want to be on any more steep learning curves than I am right now.

We have an open venue here for anyone producing/sharing quicksand related media, whether for profit or for passion. Please excuse my propensity for defending it's reputation.

I look forward to someone producing hard core sinking material and promoting it here. Especially since it seems much more feasible than many of us imagined.

Dave

[mudxdresser]

Well, I certainly hope we all can agree on one thing, filming any type of "sinking" scene that involves sex would require a lot of effort to make it believable.

And I certainly understand and have always respected that this type material is not what Dave is about. He has his own special niche and is the best of anyone in doing that niche exceptionally.

[Nessie]

I don't have a direct interest in this topic because I am not interested in hiring male models. I don't have any experience doing so, and don't want to be on any more steep learning curves than I am right now.

You didn't miss anything.

My male model hunt was a disaster. I kept all their emails, though. Maybe someday I will write a comedy.

Nessie

[Mudpot]

.....Isn't that the elephant in the room on this thread? X-rated male/female mud scenes at outdoor locations have already been done successfully by several of us. But this fact seems to be conveniently ignored. What has not been done is to add the sinking element. Seems like the only interest here is in redirecting the focus of the thread away from the desire of many to see something more advanced.

I just read through this entire thread and cannot find any attempt to redirect the topic away from the remarks of the OP. Maybe I missed something.

It's not surprising that M/F sex scenes filmed in mud have not been mentioned here. There are other forum venues suited for that. The focus of this board is quicksand.

I think that some of the remarks here have been 'active QS producer biased'. That's not terribly surprising either.

I don't have a direct interest in this topic because I am not interested in hiring male models. I don't have any experience doing so, and don't want to be on any more steep learning curves than I am right now.

We have an open venue here for anyone producing/sharing quicksand related media, whether for profit or for passion. Please excuse my propensity for defending it's reputation.

I look forward to someone producing hard core sinking material and promoting it here. Especially since it seems much more feasible than many of us imagined.

Dave

I don't think it's producer bias. For a good length of this thread there was little producer input beyond Duncan, so people were left to wonder what the producer stance was and why. That's why I expressed wonder that the producers didn't get involved early on, as this was a topic aimed at them. The thread would have been shorter more than likely had that happened. I didn't see anyone bad mouthing the producers, I saw people offering up suggestions and discussing why they think it would work. I don't think anyone needs to feel attacked.

I'm confused though, if this is a forum for QS fetish, Why isn't discussing male/female sex in QS welcome? After all, there are numerous videos of female on female sex. I understand the producers don't care for it, but isn't everyone else allowed their opinion? I could see if it was off topic.

Just my two cents.

[dlodoski]

....We have an open venue here for anyone producing/sharing quicksand related media, whether for profit or for passion. Please excuse my propensity for defending it's reputation.

I look forward to someone producing hard core sinking material and promoting it here. Especially since it seems much more feasible than many of us imagined.

....I'm confused though, if this is a forum for QS fetish, Why isn't discussing male/female sex in QS welcome? After all, there are numerous videos of female on female sex. I understand the producers don't care for it, but isn't everyone else allowed their opinion? I could see if it was off topic.

Just my two cents.

I'll bet I am more confused.

Can you please provide an example of this type of discussion being unwelcome here?

Thanks.

[Duncan Edwards]

... I don't think anyone needs to feel attacked.

I'm confused though, if this is a forum for QS fetish, Why isn't discussing male/female sex in QS welcome? After all, there are numerous videos of female on female sex. I understand the producers don't care for it, but isn't everyone else allowed their opinion? I could see if it was off topic.

Just my two cents.

Nobody feels "attacked". Six pages of something that isn't wanted? I was the second one to post asking everyone to offer whatever they wanted because I was genuinely curious. Yes, everyone is allowed their opinion but that doesn't exclude facts either.

[Fred588]

My position on what I think is the main 'thrust' (to coin a double entendre) of this thread:

Studio 588 is both a producer and potential production location, and it turns out my position on male or male/female quicksand scenes, or even male/female mud scenes is complex. It might seem contradictory to some. To whit:

As a producer I am not interested in these types of scenes because I do not believe they can break even.

As a production studio, on the other hand, other producers are quite welcome to produce what they want (within limits of what is legal here). That goes for female, male, male/female, or whatever quicksand scenes, mud scenes, wet and messy, and whatever else.

[mudxdresser]

Just for the record, I certainly feel attacked, but not by Dave! Of course, the attack is subtle, but my posts are certainly being "hounded" by, well, let's not have a flame war, let's just say, what's that phrase, dark forces? But note this, I'm cool with anything Dave has to say, he pays the bills here and I, and all of you, are his guest. But I extend no such courtesy to anyone who is not an actual producer in their own right, and I can assure you we've been hearing from someone here who speaks with the almighty authority of a producer yet who has never sold a video of his own!