Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so on)

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Re: Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so on)

Postby mudwarden » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:02 pm

KavenBach wrote:
Mynock wrote:This is something I always thought was missing. We fantasize about it, we draw pictures showing it, why the hell doesn't somebody film it!?!?!?! :)
A video of a girl riding a guy into quicksand and having a screaming orgasm while the bubbles come up would be the hottest thing ever. 8-)



HOLY FUCK. :shock:

Even if not the damsel-in-danger stuff I like, HELL YEAH I'd enjoy that! Turnabout is fair play!

I certainly understand that some producers would be reluctant to produce such fare, though. But surely SOMEBODY would be willing to give it a shot?


Nice mental image of that scene... I'd buy it!!!! Nice deep clay pit and the couple sinks deep while doing it... Yup, I'd buy that...

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Postby MadMax359 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:12 am

i also project fantasies that the damsel is in real peril onto videos and pictures that may have had "vanilla" intentions... there certainly are scenes like that (track down Christy North wrapped in plastic and left to sink), but i'd love more bondage scenes, and whether the villain is male, female or off-screen, it's all good... and we have some models who are no strangers to being tied up, Paris is a major bondage star and i've recently seen Stormy tied up on one of my favorite sites, so i'm betting they'd be willing... :twisted:
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Postby nachtjaeger » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:38 am

Doesn't "willing" take all the fun out of it? ;)

MadMax359 wrote:i also project fantasies that the damsel is in real peril onto videos and pictures that may have had "vanilla" intentions... there certainly are scenes like that (track down Christy North wrapped in plastic and left to sink), but i'd love more bondage scenes, and whether the villain is male, female or off-screen, it's all good... and we have some models who are no strangers to being tied up, Paris is a major bondage star and i've recently seen Stormy tied up on one of my favorite sites, so i'm betting they'd be willing... :twisted:
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Postby KavenBach » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:56 am

As long as they LOOK unwilling while the cameras are rolling, I say. :twisted: If they really get off while filming, that's a grand smacking bonus for EVERYONE. ;)

If I had to guess, the percentage of real female orgasms in mainstream hardcore M/F porn is unfairly low... :twisted:
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Postby Duncan Edwards » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:22 am

This has been an interesting discussion. As always the producers are waiting to hear from the audience what you like, what you don't like, and what you want to see. We'll see if this helps promote a little more work on this type of content. 8-)
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Postby KavenBach » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:00 pm

I hope it does!

I recently re-joined MPV and have been sampling the scenes again. How curious... all those that have caught my attention have been from prp!

Still, none of them went "all-out..." the "Mr. Sinister's Nature Trail" and "The ordeal" contained some rough stripping before the mud-kerplunk, and "Murder for pleasure" had that extra cruel bit of the bad guy pushing her under... but none REALLY represent how far I would like such scenes to go.

True that you'd need to find ladies willing to face such situations, though... actual M/F intercourse (or fellatio) on-camera, even NON-violent, is probably a line most if not all the actresses don't want to cross.
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Postby Nessie » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:10 pm

KavenBach wrote:actual M/F intercourse (or fellatio) on-camera, even NON-violent, is probably a line most if not all the actresses don't want to cross.


With good reason.

I have been following this and it's time for a reality check, guys.

I have met VERY few mudpits, either natural or artificial, that are suitable for non-simulated sexual intercourse and/or actual fellatio, especially the jam-it-down-her-throat variety. Between the rub-your-innards raw ingredients and their possible microbial inhabitants, most of this stuff ain't anything I'd introduce to my digestive system or my vagina even if I had the love of my life as my companion and a guarantee of 100% privacy.

I love my mudpits dearly but they shall forever stay outside, on my outsides, not inside my insides.

Breathplay carries a different set of risks and some of these are fatal.

I'm not trying to say that the scenes shouldn't be produced AT ALL. I do wish that guys could be content, though, with well-done illusions and danged good acting.

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Postby nachtjaeger » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:54 pm

Well said, Nessie. Damn, I hate it when reality kills a fantasy.

Seriously, I personally am content with, and actually prefer, "well done illusions and danged good acting."

How about Antonio Banderas in a giant vat of your favorite skin lotion?

Nessie wrote:
KavenBach wrote:actual M/F intercourse (or fellatio) on-camera, even NON-violent, is probably a line most if not all the actresses don't want to cross.


With good reason.

I have been following this and it's time for a reality check, guys.

I have met VERY few mudpits, either natural or artificial, that are suitable for non-simulated sexual intercourse and/or actual fellatio, especially the jam-it-down-her-throat variety. Between the rub-your-innards raw ingredients and their possible microbial inhabitants, most of this stuff ain't anything I'd introduce to my digestive system or my vagina even if I had the love of my life as my companion and a guarantee of 100% privacy.

I love my mudpits dearly but they shall forever stay outside, on my outsides, not inside my insides.

Breathplay carries a different set of risks and some of these are fatal.

I'm not trying to say that the scenes shouldn't be produced AT ALL. I do wish that guys could be content, though, with well-done illusions and danged good acting.

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Re: Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so on)

Postby KavenBach » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:45 pm

Yeah, that was actually a question that had popped into my mind but I hadn't found the nerve to voice. :oops:

I don't imagine having gritty sand or small rocks between male and female flesh during intercouse would be pleasant for either party. On the other hand, I have little enough true experience with actual sex (yes you may laugh) to really judge.

A condom would only protect the guy from said filth as well, unless both a male and female condom were used, and that... not sure how well that could possibly work, to be honest.

And Nessie, you said "VERY few." Not "NONE." I can only guess this is a deliberate choice of words. Are there any --- such as the private, maintained pits --- that you think MIGHT be safe, or safer, or safe enough?

Breathplay is indeed another matter. But then I'm not suggesting just any gal/guy do it without any idea WTF they're doing. Like it or not there are many people who *DO* practice breathplay, consensually and with full knowledge of the implications, and who have the experience to know what's safely manageable and what's not... as well as what's pushing the edge and what's not. Also, there can be no denying that breath play is already part of any submersion scene like we've all seen in the videos Club MPV and the others have produced. Gals submerge all the time, and hold their breath only long enough to cut the camera to a different shot after they're out, to give the illusion they're still in there. While not quite the same I admit, even the use of hoses to create splattering air bubbles is breath play in a way. It's an illusion as you said, but the illusion is still that the gal --- or guy --- who went under is now suffocating below the surface.

The aforementioned scene of a gal "riding" a guy under could be managed easily enough with a camera cut and a hose also. She keeps humping the mud, someone off-screen blows into the hose to create bubbles right in front of her... voila. She's riding a guy down into his grave. Or heck, a second cut, and we see him emerge from beneath her once she's done... maybe she's the one that reaches below the surface for him after he "succeeded his mission." It's all good. I'm willing to accept illusions and good acting to some extent.

But I also have to say that not all of the illusions or acting are convincing. But we cannot expect too much I suppose, except for the best effort of the artists trying to produce the fare we enjoy. Which is why having true mud/qs affectionados doing the deeds I'd like to see would be that much more convincing. Because they're enjoying it also!

Note also that the M/F sex/violence/drama needn't be all in the pit itself. It would be amazing, but not necessary. Why can't a damsel threatened with a sinking death in quicksand try to "negotiate her release" before ever going in? That's very nearly straightforward porn as it is. Again to reference AcidTester's amazing works, the "blow me and I'll rescue you" scenarios don't necessarily involve mud in the woman's mouth... a quick cut from her at chin-depth, to him humping the mud when she "appears" to have gone under, would do the trick. Even if the actress submerges only just enough that we still see her hair at the surface in front of him as he humps, at that point since we can't see through the mud there doesn't really need to be fellatio going on. A little camera sleight-of hand (or sleight-of-other-body-parts :P ) can go a long way!

But add as much of the "real" stuff as you can visibly, and the rest is more convincing by default. Or am I wrong?

EDIT: Also, Nessie --- and all the other ladies on this site --- I don't want you thinking I'm a sadist in Real Life. I am NOT suggesting that the actresses --- or actors as the case could be --- really be put in deadly peril. I am NOT advocating RL rape in any form. I'm NOT saying a scene of sexual quicksand peril be done willy-nilly with no regard to the inherent dangers. I'm asking if it's possible to produce rougher fare of the type I fantasize about, and am hoping my arguments and suggestions give people food for thought and reason to push the envelope a bit. Yes my tastes are perverse and most "socially sane" women would consider me evil for them, but I'm sure I'm not the only person who would like to see this happen... male or female.
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Re: Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so on)

Postby MadMax359 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:43 am

i'm hoping everyone understands Kaven's last paragraph... this is all fantasy and roleplay with consenting adults!! :twisted:
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