What do you (or not) like in your Quicksand vids

[Fred588]

Have I bought any studio 588 stuff? I really wish I could find out more about the videos... but I can't. that one website keeps telling I forgot my password and such even when I enter the right one.

I think you're getting studio 588 muddled up with another site - there is no username/password system on studio588qs.com. You just click on the videos button at the top, find the one you want and e-mail Fred directly. It's not an automated system, but he always responds really quickly to his e-mails

wosname_78 is correct. There are NO usernames or passwords at studio588qs.com. Noone, you probably did mean to refer to quicksandland.com. However, there is NO MEMBER by that name at that forum. You may need to join or use the built in system (there, not here) to request a password re-send under your name there.

[quextar]

also useful would be facts such as how many videos (not teasers) one has actually purchaed, the background one might have in photography or videography, and things like that.

I have purchased approximately 7 scenes from studio 588, around 70 from ClubMPV (from MPV itself, DIDVP, PRP, and Nessie videos), and some scattered videos from either Clips4Sale or UMD, usually as sales occurred. I have no background or training as a photographer or videographer.

Everyone's preferences are bound to be different, and I feel a little silly, ungrateful, and entitled listing mine, but I'll show them if they are at all helpful.

My preferences:

Clothes- I don't have a lot of preferences in wardrobe particularly, but I like when models at least start in some amount of clothing
Deep mud- Which is primarily why I prefer man-made pits since natural mud pits often are not deep enough to convincingly sink into
Girl-next-door models
Grim scenes
Scenes involving multiple models
Multiple reactions- I have particular affinity for when models incorporate multiple reactions of peril, pleasure, curiosity, or annoyance to the quicksand at different times (such as the Ignorance is Bliss type scenes from MPV or Bog Orchid type scenes from Studio588)

Some things that I don't care either way about:

Camera clicking
Conceptual scenes shot with different models
Musical introduction

My peeves:

Abrupt scene endings- I need bubbles and still shots of mires to give a scene closure. Some MPV videos will end abruptly without that closure, but it seems to be the rule to cut immediately to black after a submergence for other producers
Ease of movement- Anything that would suggest the model has an easy time climbing out of the mud
Males- In the middle of a scene, I don't want to see, hear, or even think about any males or any penises
Masturbation interludes- When a model stops being in a deadly quicksand pit to rub one out, I lose interest
Watery quicksand- Most of my biggest scene turn-offs come from watery pits: In a watered down peat or clay pit or the Hollywood pits, models are often quite obviously slowly walking in to the deeper part of the pit (which is bad) in order to avoid plunging into the pit all at once (which is worse)

[dlodoski]

....About a year ago (maybe two?) I had purchased the Digital Download of the DVDs of the QVP classics: Terror, and Drama.
I used the program "Handbreak" to turn them into videos I could watch on my computer. That computer was destroyed by a cat fascinated with knocking things off shelves...

Send me an email regarding this. I'll be happy to confirm the purchases and send you some fresh download links.

Oh, and Do I steal stuff?

Nope, Because I want the producers to make more - not to be forced out of business.

Thank you very much.

A lot of people feel that piracy doesn't impact the quantity and quality of what is available. I can assure you and everyone else that it already has.

[MichaelL_Photo]

Hi Folks,

This has been interesting to read.

And the variety has not been unexpected: our fetish is wide-ranging in terms of clothing, scenes, types of "quicksand," etc.

I was always interested in the drama - hence, why I called my former company "Damsels in Distress" Visual Productions - and, as you know, I focused on a lot of different themes, not just quicksand (still am - although more focused on photography these days, although I did just shoot three new QS test videos).

Like many of you, I was also very interested in the grim endings - as well as a slow sink. In the "natural world" these are nearly impossible to shoot: we needed thick mud or clay for the slow sink; yet, it's nearly impossible to shoot a real submergence in thick mud/clay. The slow, steady sink was the hardest thing for me to shoot - had some luck near the end with the new spot in Eastern Massachusetts, but submergences were hard to then shoot. Ah well.

Personally, I like sexy clothing and heels; not surprising, though, that the bikini is still the preferred choice by many.

You can be sure, if I ever film new material, there won't be any camera clicks!!! That came out quite clear, as did the bubbles and lingering/quaverying bog, after a submergence.

Unlike some others, though, I like damsels of all ages - 18 to 50s, as long as she can express the right emotions - concern, worry, fear, etc. - that works for me. Of course, I'm old myself, which might have something to do with it.

Of course, if you want the "perfect" scene, become a producer - then you'll likely get what you want, maybe, after several tries!! And it's great to see new producers here - good luck with your endeavors.

Michael

[Duncan Edwards]

Unlike some others, though, I like damsels of all ages - 18 to 50s, as long as she can express the right emotions - concern, worry, fear, etc. - that works for me. Of course, I'm old myself, which might have something to do with it.

Yeah, it's interesting how things change. It would be very interesting to see what we would get from a 20 something producer. I'm 53 married to a very fit 55 and I'm at a point in life where I think the perfect age damsel is a hot 35-45. Not that I would ever be so narrow minded though.

I don't have many major turn-offs in what I like to see. It's more like I know what I would really like to see but it's hard to have a quicksand scene that's just so bad I don't want to deal with it. There is one big thing. (Stay tuned)

Turn-off's -

Guys. I will admit that is one thing that just kills it for me most of the time. Don't want to share my fantasy.

Performers who have lost their waist regardless of age or size.

Production values are important but not everything. Poor lighting, as in too dark to see what's going on, and seriously boogered up editing do kind of stand out. Really hate it when it looks like nobody cares enough just to check a few things. Some stuff just screams "amateur hour" but nothing more so than when it looks like you didn't even try. Everyone has worked hard to raise the bar and such a thing is very rare now.

Scenes can go on for too long. I can't put a time stamp on it but "suspense" that goes on for too long is just "boring". Don't take too many detours trying to get to the point.

A little story is nice sometimes but by no means a necessity. In my mind you can sort of bury the quicksand in too much production. Even MGM got Esther Williams in the water pretty quick no matter how much they spent. Knowhutimean?

Here is the big one - Huge, in fact. Don't spoil the magic. Maintaining secrets was once a big deal in Hollywood and among magicians and performers alike. We don't need to have the illusion that this is a deadly dangerous bog busted by endless explanation of how you done it. Every producer should maintain with a straight face that every bog is a genuine bottomless death trap at all times and not do anything to give a hint otherwise. This should be true both in the scenes, behind the scenes, and in public discussion. Why create an illusion if you are immediately going to bust it. I well and truly hate that. It's bad for individual producers and the community. One time I viewed one scene that was terrific in it's execution both by the actress and in all the technical aspects. Excellent piece of work. I had actually been present when it was shot and I still bought every second of it right down to the well done post submersion effort. Then, and I could't believe it, after fading to black, the doomed actress pops up only waist deep and professes that it was nothing. She could have done better. I was left pounding the table. Could not effing believe that great work had just been thrown out in the name of some cute trick. Listen, if you are directing a scene in which we are being sold the idea that somebody has just sunk to their doom, don't fail to maintain that. Some producers/directors are afraid we might think they actually killed somebody but honest we know better or we'd call the cops. We do know better. Just pretend like we don't. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Don't sabotage your own effort.

Okay, I'm over it.

Things I like or would like to see -

The more the merrier. I probably won't be happy until somebody does sink a busload of cheerleaders and I don't mean one at a time.

Sex sells. We all know this or we'd just hire guys who are ugly exhibitionists and work cheap. It's not everything but even a dramatic scene should not lose complete sight of it.

I love variety. There's no one right way to do anything with this.

I'm pleased where the community is at compared to where we began. A lot of work has been done by a relative handful of people to advance the state of the art and create opportunities for new producers/creators/directors. There's not much real reward in it. It's definitely a labor of love and it's not been wasted. Thank you all.

[PM2K]

Here is the big one - Huge, in fact. Don't spoil the magic. Maintaining secrets was once a big deal in Hollywood and among magicians and performers alike. We don't need to have the illusion that this is a deadly dangerous bog busted by endless explanation of how you done it. Every producer should maintain with a straight face that every bog is a genuine bottomless death trap at all times and not do anything to give a hint otherwise. This should be true both in the scenes, behind the scenes, and in public discussion. Why create an illusion if you are immediately going to bust it. I well and truly hate that. It's bad for individual producers and the community. One time I viewed one scene that was terrific in it's execution both by the actress and in all the technical aspects. Excellent piece of work. I had actually been present when it was shot and I still bought every second of it right down to the well done post submersion effort. Then, and I could't believe it, after fading to black, the doomed actress pops up only waist deep and professes that it was nothing. She could have done better. I was left pounding the table. Could not effing believe that great work had just been thrown out in the name of some cute trick. Listen, if you are directing a scene in which we are being sold the idea that somebody has just sunk to their doom, don't fail to maintain that. Some producers/directors are afraid we might think they actually killed somebody but honest we know better or we'd call the cops. We do know better. Just pretend like we don't. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Don't sabotage your own effort.[/b]

Actually, Duncan summed up the core essence of all of my dislikes in four words. Don't spoil the magic.

[makoshark]

Don't spoil the magic...... Theres A LOT to be said about that phrase.

Growing up, i would always stop on a channel that had a movie playing that had just the slightest hint of a possible scene. Then something eventually would pay off like "Death curse of Tartu" or like that movie "Bare Essentials" in that as you were watching it - it was kind of a magical moment to watch the woman walking through the jungle. Your heart begins pounding a bit and your breathing becomes a little faster.... thinking "any moment now" and then "Bam" there it is.

She Plunders in and theirs the money shot. So you tape it so you can wait until you're the only one home alone to do your business. You watch it thinking that one was perfect.. do your business more...etc etc. Then you realize you've kinda outgrew that scene ( i don't want to say got bored with it... just outgrew) after watching it over and over. Its like the roadrunner/coyote thing, once the coyote caught him - he holds up a sign and says "Now what?"

So you keep looking for more scenes......

You find more scenes,which also translates to "buy more scenes". and with each new scene you think this may be the one you want. You watch it, and its great. - Hey why not? its a quicksand scene right? But as you watch it... you see things you like and some things you don't like. So you bear with the things you don't like (i.e. fast fowarding through walk arounds.... toe tapping... screamy submersions - and im just picking a few from the list -) and pay attention to the good stuff.

But you think about what you would have liked to have seen in that scene and it drives you to looking into new scenes. And im willing to bet that most people who have bought, taped on a VCR or DVR'ed quicksand scenes come back to said scenes at some point and felt like the coyote. "Now what?"...

So you keep looking for more scenes......

or buy another scene and catch something new and now its magical again.... waiting for the moment. And there you are all over again with the heart beating and breathing heavy. Watching a new video. "Magical" reguardless of dislikes, because its quicksand.

I do like this thread and i dont think its anyone complaining about anything. Just putting their own prefernces into what they like and what they might wish to see or not see in the future as constructive critcism. I myself am a "take the good with the bad" kind of guy in that "Hey..... its a quicksand scene" I like em all But some more than others. I dont mind alot because i can taylor what i watch with the click of a button.

Be careful when you find the perfect scene. It wont be perfect forever.

Just my 2 pesos.

Love this place... love the producers. Keep on rollin!

[Sekani]

I think over the years I've purchased somewhere around 50 scenes, starting with VHS tapes from MPV and Wave, then DVDs from MPV and Studio 588, and most recently individual digitally downloaded scenes from Studio 588, MPV, PRP, and DIDVP.

What I look for in a scene:

Muddy quicksand. I want something thick enough that it looks like a model could actually get stuck in it, and also something that coats their bodies when they struggle and/or extract themselves. Natural pits are best, clay pits come a close second. MPVbleck would be perfect if it coated better, but it leaves too much bare skin/clothing showing for my tastes.

Well-endowed topless nudity. I like the boobs, what else can I say.

Steady downward progression. Cause, you know, you're sinking. The videos I've seen that do this the best are Studio 588's Blowgun series, the super-early stuff from MPV (The Shortcut, Jewel of Doom, etc.), and probably Jim Weathers' stuff, though I'm guessing cause I've only seen the trailers.

A sense of actual peril. Make me believe that the model can't get out of the pit, or is having real trouble extracting themselves. Some type of bondage element is an easy way to achieve this illusion, but not actually necessary.

Submersions. "Grim" endings are fine, but bonus points if someone pulls themselves out after a submersion. Double bonus points if a self-rescue fails and they go back in (as in Summer, Pin-up girl in quickmud).

What I generally don't care for:

Watery quicksand. Peat and hollywood quicksand generally don't do it for me, the stuff is way too thin for me to suspend my disbelief that anyone could get stuck and sink in it. However, some creativity can compensate for this (as in Push the Button, Maxine).

Flailing around. That's not a struggle, that's someone trying to swim, and it ruins the illusion of quicksand as something you can get stuck and sink in.

Male nudity. Not my thing.

Too much clothing. Personally I prefer bikini bottoms and nothing else, but I actively avoid anything where the model is fully clothed (Archenemys, for example).

Corny dialogue. Most solo scenes can be done without a single word as far as I'm concerned.

Any scene that's more about playing in the mud than sinking in it.

[Billie Bonce]

I read the first post of the thread and while the topic was not totally new (there were many such topics before) I thought that it would be interesting to contribute. However the topic was instantly redirected by our producers, so that the opinions provided would be considered as a valuable information to the producers, and the people were asked to explain how many videos they had purchased. Sorry guys, this is not the Producer Area, and the creator of the topic clearly wrote that

Producers are going to make whatever they can. I mean no offense to anyone, I just wanted to get this of my chest.

So I believe I also have a vote here, not intended to be valuable for the producers.

To clarify: I never purchased any quicksand video. In fact, I never purchased anything via the Internet (I mean, I never paid for goods via the Internet) including any video/audio. Taking into account current salaries in my country and current exchange rate for our currency, I don't expect that I would be able to buy any video in any reasonable future, even if I would like to. So, what I say below is based on a few videos that I was able to see illegally, and many trailers and huge number of previews that I downloaded legally. I also can refer to mainstream videos and amateur videos, mostly from YouTube.

I can summarize it this way: I enjoyed so many trailers, but in virtually all cases when I saw the video I was totally disappointed. This actually seriously prevents me from even thinking of buying a video, because as I mentioned each video costs a substantial value for me, and having such a result for such an amount is definitely not what I would like.

So, what I like:
1. Female victim. Young and attractive. Either fit or slightly chubby. May be a kind of "girl next door" like many people mentioned. But I also love more or less fantasy characters. E.g., I do prefer Asian girls, and I love to fantasize about elves (remember - I don't ask for anything, I just say what I would like).
2. Two or three victims or victims and would-be rescuers would be even better.
3. Thick stuff. Thick clay or real quicksand. Or real quagmire. Natural locations preferable.
4. The victim must be stuck in mud or quicksand. Unable to get out. Or, possibly, able to get out after a really hard struggle. "Stuck" must be realistic - I don't buy those "stuck 1 inch deep and already unable to get out". I especially love it when several girls are involved and they try to rescue the victim but either fail or eventually succeed after a really hard struggle.
5. Reasonable scenario. If seriously, the simplest "girls were hiking and accidentally got lost in the bog" or "girls went to find a really private place for skinny dipping" would be much better than any unbelievable costumes and scenarios. Explorer forever!
6. Reasonable outfit for that scenario. I do love nudity, but of course the scenario must be corresponding. Otherwise, short skirt, or long skirt with no panties, or wardrobe malfunction that will follow...
7. Real, very real struggle. Love it when one girl realistically tries to pull her friend out and can't.
8. Reasonable dialogue. Many good options are possible, from jokes and giggling, through calm discussion on how to perform the rescue to hysterical screaming.

What I don't like:
1. Older women. I am 54, but it changes nothing - I want to see a fantasy scenario with really young girls. No 30 years old who play schoolgirls.
2. Tattoos. When I see large colorful tattoos I instantly switch the video off.
3. Fake boobs. The same as above. By the way, it applies for non-fetish porn as well, that's why I certainly prefer Japanese porn and certainly dislike American one. Seriously, so many guys mentioned "girl next door". I don't judge and I don't criticize, but in my country girls next door don't wear tattoos and fake boobs.
4. Obese people, even if they are young girls. Though I can see a realistic scenario of a fat woman getting hopelessly stuck in a place where normal people can wade without much trouble.
5. Too skinny people.
6. Unrealistic, far-fetched scenarios.
7. Too much speaking, speaking to herself. Unless the character is ultimately stupid, I would not expect to hear anything like "what is this stuff?" Didn't she see that she was stepping into the mud? "Ouch, this is so deep!" would fit much better. The word "quicksand" does not work for me at all. In fact, I don't like to hear it, because for me it sounds like "and now I will say the word that you all expect from me". Sorry guys, I am from the different world. "I am sinking", "I am stuck", "I can't get out of here", "get me out of here please", "please hurry, I feel it sets around my feet" sound incomparably better to me. There are some Russian words that I would enjoy to hear, and they more refer to "stuck" that to "quicksand". And of course something like "help!" and "save me!" is universally the best...
8. Mud-covered face. Hate it.
9. Submergence. Don't like it. Can accept it only if the next moment the victim is rescued.
10. Bubbles after the victim drowned. I hate it absolutely.
11. Fake struggle, especially if the model obviously attempts to get herself deeper. Also, when one girl pretends that she tries to pull her friend out, but her friend obviously struggles against it. Even if both girls are complete idiots, the one who is stuck would not take such position.
12. Fake location. Prepared mud pit has its advantages, but then the shooting must be directed properly and the video must be edited properly. Because a woman accidentally wading into the mud when you can clearly see the way around the pit doesn't seem realistic. And I also have to mention the visible lining around the pits that ruins the illusion, and other obvious facilities, including fake flowers.

Some things that don't fall into any of the above polar categories.
1. Male victims/rescuers. While I certainly dislike any gay stuff, I can enjoy a video with a male victim and male/female rescuers. I certainly would enjoy a video with female victim and male rescuer. I am a watcher, a voyeur if you wish, and even in my fantasies I don't imagine myself as a rescuer. I would totally like to see a matching rescuer for a victim - say, if the victim is a teen girl, I would prefer to see a guy of corresponding age to save her.
2. Sex in mud. I was about to put it into the "don't like" section. But while I typically don't like videos showing masturbation in mud, and the more explicit they are the less I like them, I have to admit that I have seen several such videos (not from our producers) that I liked very much. I also liked one video (and disliked another video) of real sex in mud, so I can't make my judgment. And I certainly like some lesbian stuff in mud, too.
3. Background music. I have nothing against it if it fits. It's hard to find fitting one though.
4. Slow/quick sinking. I am not into sinking, I am into stuck scenarios. So, slow sinking may be good, but as I mentioned I don't believe into "stuck one inch deep and doomed" scenarios. I may prefer a quick plunge after which the struggle may be long and hard.

Maybe I omitted something. But well, it will be enough. I use to compare those previews and trailers with the videos of real events from YouTube. Of course, professional shooting is a great advantage. But I love those unscripted real videos so much...

That's it.

[spunkee311]

Yay i'll join the party.

No Likey
1) Watery Watery Water Watery Quicksand. Just no. Need thick peat or thick clay. Or give us the illusion of it. This is why I haven't jumped on the HWQS bandwagon. Well at least until that most recent Anabelle clip, because its always a model pretending that its thicker than what it actually is. I've always said that Fred has the best peat in the business in studio 588. And the peat in the philippines isn't too shabby either. But I have to admit i've been a bit dissapointed in camp mpv's peat as well, so hopefully that comes together as time goes by.

2) Angles One thing that always takes me out of the scene is shitty angles on the actress. Or anything obstructing the view, like flowers or planets. I love to see a nice view of the girl sinking in quicksand.

3) Stop flailing your arms - Girls that keep flailing their arms like they are on a strange cocaine binge. I like the idea that quicksand is the ultimately sucking substance. So once you are in it, and your hands, then there is not getting out.