Hardcore M/f Sex Scenes in Quicksand (BDSM,breathplay,so on)

[mudxdresser]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was probably MY, often pirated, movie! Alas, though it is real full tilt sex in real mud/quicksand, it is not really much of a sinking video. The only sinking going on was me as I constantly moved about on the quicksand surface to avoid breaking through while filming...

[kham]

Even if producers wanted to, and some would, it's as much a budget/cost issue as anything. Getting boy/girl together within the economic limitations of your typical qs video would be a challenge. Getting guys on the set also carries it's own set of complications so it's just not worth it. Instead of qs producers doing a porn sink you might have an easier time getting porn producers to do a qs sink. If somebody wanted to sponsor such a scene and had a willing and professional couple to star in it then I'm sure you could find a qs producer who would get it on video. It definitely does not hurt to encourage them to create what you would like to see

What Duncan said;
In fact, that's precisely what the Sexually Broken guys did; they didn't do another this year, but that doesn't mean they won't in the future. And using Darling in their first attempt did not hurt, since she had some experience with the genre.

[Mudpot]

Interesting thread.

Seem's the community is about to hit another epoch.

Breath play IS dangerous, but that's what makes it so interesting. You have fetish production company's like Aqua Fans and a dozen others producing massive amounts of breath play videos and are quite popular and they don't seem to have any shortages of actresses. I haven't heard of any accidents with those companies, so clearly it can be done safely.

I don't see how hiring a male actor is any different than a female. There's a QS producer who does almost exclusive male stuff and he's a small operation yet he manages. I actually spoke to a friend who makes porn after reading through this and asked if there is any issues regarding Men vs Women or both. He said no, it's all the same. The only exception being if you plan to have penetration. The actors must be cleared for sexually transmitted disease. It's usually on the actor to provide this info and the producer to verify it. BTW, did you know it's only legal to produce porn in LA and New Hampshire? Never knew that. Don't worry, it's not enforced unless there's a complaint. Which is why you want to have precise records and make sure your in line with the custodian laws. I think I got educated on porn tonight...lol.

In any event, I suppose the record keeping can be a pain in the ass.

Someone will figure it out. Nature will find a way, it always does.

[Duncan Edwards]

I don't see how hiring a male actor is any different than a female. There's a QS producer who does almost exclusive male stuff and he's a small operation yet he manages. I actually spoke to a friend who makes porn after reading through this and asked if there is any issues regarding Men vs Women or both. He said no, it's all the same.

Hiring a male actor isn't necessarily a problem but you are now talking about two different things. Yes, Mudlover does all guy stuff and does a great job of it but he's the guy in his own videos. Really cuts down on labor costs, y'know? Hiring just a guy isn't the same as hiring two people to have sex in a challenging situation on camera. I think your friend was simplifying things a bit much. If Dave were to introduce a guy to one of his ladies on set and explain that he was her partner for the next scene I promise it wouldn't be long before Dave was standing there by himself.

As far as I know there are two people who have paid couples to get in front of the camera in muddy, not sinking, situations. The late Rob Blaine had a scene with married couple Shaun and Phil. Dave at MPV had two couples having fun back in the early days. Neither was commercially successful and I know in the MPV case there was some heavy baggage to deal with on at least one of the couples. Once again the bottom line is that shooting mud porn has thus far not proven to be worth the effort.

One lady costs money. Two ladies cost twice as much obviously. Male/Female couples for porn cost more than that. The time and intricacies required to shoot actual or even simulated sex is going to reduce the profit margin even further and appeal only to a very limited audience. You're not going to hire such a couple for a single scene so you end up with one expensive couple standing around for most of a three day shoot which trashes the productivity of a typical mud/qs shoot for the producers I know of. Then you still have the legal and health issues to deal with even with the perfect couple. Obviously it it's not impossible but I don't see it working out anytime soon.

[Fred588]

I try to stay out of discussions such as this one but will add one thing to Duncan's comments. Aside from the legal and health issues, the rates charged by actresses (and I presume actors) for porn (that is, penetration) are several times those charged for the messiest fetish work. It just is not worth going bankrupt.

[Duncan Edwards]

... It just is not worth going bankrupt.

What Fred said.

[Mudpot]

That all makes sense. I spoke to my friend again and your correct, it does cost much more for penatration, he failed to inform me of that...lol. Though I assumed it would, just not that much more.

I can totally understand why the producers would avoid this. If the returns aren't there, not worth it. Simple economics. No one can hold that against them. It'll most likely take someone dedicated to such things exclusively to make such videos. Though as you said, if the returns aren't there, they won't last long.

Thanks for taking the time to really go into detail. I'm surprised more producers didn't get involved in the thread to explain why it won't work, save's time and allows everyone to move on and think of other idea's producers may be able to pull off.

[mudxdresser]

I notice I somehow never seem to make the "A" list even though I've probably filmed more male/female sex scenes than anyone here with the possible exception of Phil (Dirty Muse)! Let's cut to the chase, it's not as hard to do as it seems, but, you have to do it right. Involve me next time out, I'll take care of it.

However, in the intervening years I've learned a few things, mostly about the anatomy of the male performer. Unless you work in the porn industry, keepin' it up while the camera is runnin' is not as easy as many might think. I speak from experience, both behind the camera and in front. On a porn set, they usually use a "fluffer" to help out.

There is a better way, no need for all that on a mud video, the mud covers a lot of sins. Meaning, if I had it to do all over again, I'd rarely show the real thing except at the beginning and at the end for the money shot. What is needed is a little skill with a leather harness, dildo, and the costume/setting to hide it. Girls are basically bored 80 over in the mud, there's not a lot of sensation, sort of like wearing a couple of rubbers, and that is where so much of the trouble begins. So, the trick is to just get some dildo action going while keepin' things concealed and then, walla, with some skillful editing, it all comes out looking real in a Hollywood kind of way.

And keep in mind the lesson of Ron Jeremy, there is an art being a good male model in a sex film. You can't be too good looking or too bad looking, you want the male viewer to just sort of take his place mentally and enjoy the ride. Personally, I'd suggest putting the male in rubber or some other costumes that help conceal the harness. Hey, maybe make him a mud spirit that rises up out of the mud and seduces the woman.

Don't see the money angle at all with respect to the male performer. Never paid a male to perform in any of my videos...

[Duncan Edwards]

Don't see the money angle at all with respect to the male performer. Never paid a male to perform in any of my videos...

And the world has seen how many of those?

[mudxdresser]

Well, not to make toooooo fine a point of it, but the world before somewhere in the mid-90's or so saw all of the nine VHS's I distributed. When the digital age arrived along with the accompanying rampant piracy, magically, I found it in my best interest to create two categories of folks, those that saw the world back then and those that see what came after. I must presume from your comments that you are from the more recent age. Think up a way I can protect my content and you too can enjoy what those from the pre-digital world enjoyed...