Duncan Tries Again...and Again

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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Aiko » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:02 pm

I don't want to be the doomsayer here, but those last two pictures do raise an interesting question. With AI generated art, who is to say how old the characters shown are?
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Duncan Edwards » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:53 pm

Aiko wrote:I don't want to be the doomsayer here, but those last two pictures do raise an interesting question. With AI generated art, who is to say how old the characters shown are?


Me.

EDIT - Yeah, okay, that's not going to read well even though it's the truth. These people don't exist. It's not like I can get a birth certificate on them. My own feeling is they are all of legal age or I wouldn't have them up there. If anyone thinks otherwise I'm happy to discuss it. We're entering a new age here and while I was hoping the subject wouldn't come up, I knew it would.
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby cerberus » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:31 pm

Thanks for the edit Duncan, I was debating whether to comment here and that makes it easier. I intend no disrespect in the following. I just wish to express my views and opinions.

I understand what you are saying but I have to agree with Aiko, a number of your images here have made me feel uncomfortable because of the apparent lack of age in the subject faces. You are right the “Me” didn’t read too well with me, my thought was that you were wrong and the usual arbiter in these cases is someone in a black robe sitting behind a long desk that you’d normally address as “your honour”. They are usually extreme right-wing, evangelically minded people with enough hang-ups to furnish a clothing warehouse. I tend to take the view that it is wise not to court controversy if you don’t have to. When I started using AI (seems ages ago but it’s only a few days really) I noticed that the default faces were “too young” in my opinion and I usually add an “aged 25” into my text prompts now. I experimented to arrive at this choice e.g. adding twenties didn’t work I got images in B&W of flapper girls, they were nice but not what I intended!

As an additional point, there is a precedent here that can be regarded as a parallel and can be used as guidance. I’m referring to CGI, DAZ and Poser images. Again these are of people who don’t usually exist, but I seem to recall a dispute on this site with a member whose images were deemed too young by the moderators. I don’t know whether he left of his own accord or was thrown out, but he stopped posting here. Please note: I am not suggesting you leave or be thrown out, maybe look at the image and think "if I was on the door at a adult club would I let her/him/them in?"
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Aiko » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:22 pm

cerberus wrote:"if I was on the door at a adult club would I let her/him/them in?"

Not without some ID. And I'm pretty sure, they don't have any. ;)

Duncan Edwards wrote:My own feeling is they are all of legal age or I wouldn't have them up there.

But feelings are a subjective thing. I don't have an objective method to tell their ages either.

To me their faces seem quite a bit less mature than their bodies. They could still pass as "barely legal", maybe. I don't know. It's not my call to make. If it was I would probably prefer to err on the side of caution.
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Duncan Edwards » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:02 pm

Here's the irony of it all. The lady I used as a model for those faces was 24 and I added some boobs.

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The girl half of the couple - Look at the face. She's 26.

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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Duncan Edwards » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:13 pm

Almost forgot to mention the model for the rain forest warrior. She's a 25 year old porn star.

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Anyhow, not sure what all this really means. It's going to be an interesting future.
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Mynock » Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:14 pm

First off, love the pics!

On the subject at hand......I assume an AI art generator that specializes in porn and is sold commercially in the US wouldn't be generating underage pictures......but maybe I'm assuming too much?

Legal age of consent notwithstanding, I've seen plenty of instances of people who "look" younger (or older) than they actually are.
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby cerberus » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:36 pm

Sorry Mynock, I don't believe that AI generators are designed to specialise in porn, they can do it, but that's not their main purpose. Stable Diffusion is Opensource, so you can get the source code and do what you like with it. Perchance is free to use, but most of the others I've investigated charge for using their services and impose varying degrees of censorship to prevent violent, hateful or obscene images. As far as I know there are no explicit restrictions on generating child images, but have not tested that and have no inclination to do so. What I have noticed is that by default images generated of women (I haven't tried men) tend to have unblemished faces that look on the young side, especially if they are blonde for some reason. As a result I usually include an "aged XX" (where XX is usually 25 but for blondes may be 30) in my text description, this seems to work for me. Other's experience may be different, it probably depends on the AI being used and how you use it. I'm still in my early days with this and there are a lot of things to learn.

With respect to legal age, I know what you mean and appearances can be deceptive, but I've never heard of a "well, she looked 16 and she said she was 16" defence resulting in acquittal. A lot of (pretty much all) legislation on AI is still to be written, I don't trust the authorities making those decisions to be as openminded as me, so I prefer to err on the side of caution.
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby Duncan Edwards » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:21 am

Mynock wrote:First off, love the pics!

On the subject at hand......I assume an AI art generator that specializes in porn and is sold commercially in the US wouldn't be generating underage pictures......but maybe I'm assuming too much?


Yes friend, you assume too much. I've been using a PRO+ subscription at MAGESpace and I've not run into anything, and I do mean anything, it won't cooperate with. They have recently added an AI watchdog that picks off certain word uses to help police the situation but this is a real challenge. There's certainly nothing currently that will get in the way of anything I want to do. I did accidentally learn that you have to watch colloquialisms carefully. For instance, don't use the word "girl" or that's what you get even though you are thinking about a friend in college. If you fail to provide specific details about certain things then you get the random results that the damn thing has learned from all the other perverts out there. And it's learning some things very fast. I can't stress enough that this is going to be a Pandora's box of blessings and nightmares.
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Re: Duncan Tries Again...and Again

Postby cerberus » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 am

Duncan Edwards wrote:There's certainly nothing currently that will get in the way of anything I want to do. I did accidentally learn that you have to watch colloquialisms carefully. For instance, don't use the word "girl" or that's what you get even though you are thinking about a friend in college. If you fail to provide specific details about certain things then you get the random results that the damn thing has learned from all the other perverts out there. And it's learning some things very fast. I can't stress enough that this is going to be a Pandora's box of blessings and nightmares.


This is exactly my experience with a local install of Stable Diffusion, I inadvertently put "girl" in the text prompt and, as Duncan says, that's what you get. At least with my local install, as far as I can tell, the only pervert it is learning from is me, which gives me a bit more control than is possible with a public/cloud AI. Stable Diffusion has a little bear trap for the unwary though, you may think that by only saving the "legal" images you are safe, but SD saves a copy of all the images and grids it creates within the SD install folder, if you aren't aware of this, a bit of carelessness could catch you out. I don't know about other AI but it's possible they could be the same.

"Blessings and nightmares" indeed, used safely and responsibility AI could be a great boon to mankind, but the thought of whom is likely end up holding the reins of AI fills me with fear and trepidation (OK, that's a tautology, but, I think, double the amount of fear here is a good thing).

PS: Really interested to see the pics of the "girls" you used as patterns. Do I think they look "too young"? Of course not, but I am open to the suggestion that that may only be because you told me their ages! This may all come down to the fact that, at my age, anyone under 70 looks young!

PPS: Don't asks me my actual age, I withhold that on the grounds that you may dismiss my opinions as those of a senile old git.
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