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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby Bellerus » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:47 am

redjak6t4 wrote:From the r/blenderhelp subReddit...

Blender is a fully-featured 3D modelling program. While there are addons to make certain operations easier to perform, I don't think it can really be compared to something like PhotoSuite. What you've describe isn't very simple to do in Blender.

Blender can be used to achieve what you've described, but you're going to have to learn a few 3D modelling concepts first. Beyond the basics of getting used to the UI and learning how to add objects to the scene and position them, you're also going to need to learn about materials, and probably about UVs as well. The positioning, sizing, skewing etc is all relatively easy, but there is no simple way to just 'cut out' an image. For that, you would have to edit the object's UVs, and probably use a texture atlas. That's not all super advanced or anything, but it will require some dedication to learn on your part.

If your question is "can I do it easily", the answer is no. But "can I do it"? Sure. And then you could take it much further if you wanted to, creating full environments, fancy lighting, and even animating it. But again, I wouldn't call any of that "easy".

Hope this sufficiently answers your query.


Blender certainly isn't your best bet, its a small pool yeah but its a mile deep. If you're looking to make the whole image in blender you'll practically need a degree in it. Depending on what you're wanting from it you could end up using a game for screenshots if you're trying for backgrounds. Combining a sinking spot modeled in blender with a simple screencap of modded Minecraft could probably give similar results to what you could be looking for.
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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby Bellerus » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:10 am

I whipped up a little proof of concept in a style similar to yours to see how it would work, not bad at least in my opinion
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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby redjak6t4 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:20 am

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I guess the most powerful software would be Photoshop or gimp as free open source alternative for it.

Btw: Usually, users are not supposed to contact mods directly about their questions. You could've made a submission in our sub for it, so other helpers could've joined the conversation. That would be the way to go (as long as the question is concerning Blender, of course). No hard feelings, just saying in case you have questions in the future :)


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Thank you for your reply.

But I seem to be caught between a rock and hard place. Any questions I have wouldn't be about Blender per se because I haven't downloaded it for use and don't know how to use it.

Also, I joined r/blender and posted similar 'can you please help' questions there - only for them to instantly disappear. With no feedback and nothing forthcoming from anyone, members or Mods, I can only conclude that they will not entertain any questions that aren't specifically about Blender. Hence my direct message to you here. Once bitten twice shy.

I have Adobe PhotoShop Elements and also Gimp. But to my very limited knowledge they cannot do what I described about PhotoSuite. Or at least not as simply as it used to.

I appreciate your suggestion about submitting a question for others to see, but since I don't have any questions about Blender, that door is closed to me.

This will be my last request. Do you know of any websites, forums or help pages that can help me further? Perhaps PhotoShop or Gimp CAN do what I'd like, but I simply haven't worked out how. If so, then do you know of someone who could advise me where and how I could learn?

Thank you.

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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby redjak6t4 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:25 am

Bellerus wrote:
redjak6t4 wrote:
Blender certainly isn't your best bet, its a small pool yeah but its a mile deep. If you're looking to make the whole image in blender you'll practically need a degree in it. Depending on what you're wanting from it you could end up using a game for screenshots if you're trying for backgrounds. Combining a sinking spot modeled in blender with a simple screencap of modded Minecraft could probably give similar results to what you could be looking for.



Yes, I see what you mean, Bellerus.

Also, from the dialogue I've been posting, you can see that their remit is more or less limited to providing help ONLY about Blender.

Anyway...

I like your image and would be very interested to learn how you created it.

If you don't want to spill your secrets publicly, please reach me using the private messaging system.

Btw, I really do appreciate your helpful attitude and input.

Thanks,

Redjak.

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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby Bellerus » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:28 am

redjak6t4 wrote:
Bellerus wrote:
redjak6t4 wrote:
Blender certainly isn't your best bet, its a small pool yeah but its a mile deep. If you're looking to make the whole image in blender you'll practically need a degree in it. Depending on what you're wanting from it you could end up using a game for screenshots if you're trying for backgrounds. Combining a sinking spot modeled in blender with a simple screencap of modded Minecraft could probably give similar results to what you could be looking for.



Yes, I see what you mean, Bellerus.

Also, from the dialogue I've been posting, you can see that their remit is more or less limited to providing help ONLY about Blender.

Anyway...

I like your image and would be very interested to learn how you created it.

If you don't want to spill your secrets publicly, please reach me using the private messaging system.

Btw, I really do appreciate your helpful attitude and input.

Thanks,

Redjak.


No worries dude! I'm glad to help! I'm glad you like my work! I'll send an email to ya here in a sec I'd love to help you figure out the Pixlr program!
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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby redjak6t4 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:18 am

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(Multiple moderators are replying. This message is from Moogieh) You could always install Hyper-V and emulate an earlier version of Windows in which to run PhotoSuite.

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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby redjak6t4 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:21 am

[–]from B2Z_3D[M] via /r/blenderhelp sent an hour ago
Oh. Right. Different mods involved here, so I'll answer as myself this time :D Emulating earlier windows versions seems like a great idea, so you can keep working with what you know best. It's been a while since I used it (for really old video games at the time), but windows used to have the built-in ability to run programs in compatibility mode:

– In the search box on the taskbar, type the name of the program or app you want.

– Select and hold (or right-click) it, and then select ‘Open file location’.

– Select and hold (or right-click) the program file, select ‘Properties’, and then select the ‘Compatibility’ tab.

– Tick the box for “run this program in compatibility mode for” and select the old version of Windows from the dropdown list. You can run the ‘Compatibility Troubleshooter’ first if you wish.

If that route doesn't work for you for some reason, you could investigate software alternatives yourself. I'm not sure what exactly you want to create, so I can't tell what might be the best program for what you want to achieve. Photoshop and Gimp definitely have a learning curve since they have lots of functionalities. I'm pretty sure you can learn the things you need from YouTube tutorials as well for these programs. But there are lots of youtube videos discussing free alternatives: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... tives+free Maybe some research there might point you towards the ideal software for your purposes.

r/blenderhelp and r/blender are different subs with different mods and rules, but as you pointed out, this was not purely a blender question and that might be the reason why your question got deleted. But I can't tell for sure why nobody pointed you in some other direction.

-B2Z



This is great, B2Z!

Between you and Moogieh I now have three new options to explore.
I'll follow your instructions today and see if I can get PhotoSuite to work in a compatibility mode with an older version of Windows.
If that doesn't work I'll try the Hyper-V option that Moogieh mentioned.
And if that fails, I'll check out those YouTube tutorials and see if I can become more proficient with Photoshop and/or Gimp.
Many thanks.


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Just to let you know B2Z, I tried the steps you recommended and got as far as Testing the Program with the Troubleshooter. But nothing worked. I've since posted a description of the problem on the MS Feedback Hub and am waiting for their reply. If they don't come through with a solution I'll take my laptop to my local tech shop and see if they can do what I can't and sort out the combability issue there and then. If not, the next step will be to ask them about the Hyper-V option. Thanks.

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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby redjak6t4 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:29 pm

Bellerus wrote:
No worries dude! I'm glad to help! I'm glad you like my work! I'll send an email to ya here in a sec I'd love to help you figure out the Pixlr program!


Hey, is that a Beholder I see?

I played 1st edition D&D back in the 80's and now that I'm retired I'm starting to learn 5th edition.

Btw Bellerus, I have some news.

I followed B2Z's suggestion and checked out a range of other programs, settling on Photoscape X.

Downloaded it this afternoon and have been watching Youtube tutorials on how to use it.

I'll post my first effort once I've finished writing here.

Don't get me wrong tho'.

I'm still interested in Pixlr.


Thanks,

Redjak.

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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby redjak6t4 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:32 pm

This is my first effort using Photoscape X, a free program.


Test Image.png



I'm quietly encouraged.

What do you guys think?


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Re: Back to making QS fakes again.

Postby Bellerus » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:20 pm

redjak6t4 wrote:This is my first effort using Photoscape X, a free program.


Test Image.png


I'm quietly encouraged.

What do you guys think?


Redjak.


That’s pretty good! seems like the new program isn’t horribly far off your original
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