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F-150 Raptor
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:48 pm
by Mynock
The newest offering from Ford's SVT performance group. Pretty impressive for the price.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWzwAp72 ... _embedded#
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:31 pm
by stevensenechal
Is it wise to buy a vehicle from a company which begged for handouts from you only moments ago, probably won't exist in the near future and will dump your warranty when it goes belly up? My choice would be to forget the big three and put your money in a true classic like one of these......
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:11 pm
by nachtjaeger
Uhh. . . Did Ford get bailout money? I thought they turned it down.
stevensenechal wrote:Is it wise to buy a vehicle from a company which begged for handouts from you only moments ago, probably won't exist in the near future and will dump your warranty when it goes belly up? My choice would be to forget the big three and put your money in a true classic like one of these......
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:19 pm
by Robert
stevensenechal wrote:Is it wise to buy a vehicle from a company which begged for handouts from you only moments ago, probably won't exist in the near future and will dump your warranty when it goes belly up? My choice would be to forget the big three and put your money in a true classic like one of these......
Ford was the only company that refused the bailout money. I wouldn't bet a lot of money
Robert
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:20 pm
by kham
Au contrer mon ami, Ford is the only one who
didnt suck up and get bailed out -- unlike GovernmentMotors and ChryslerFiat
That alone, never mind their vehicles are better, makes me more likely to purchase one from them
Or more bluntly, a GM or Dodge now will reside in my parking space over my rotting corpse
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:03 pm
by nachtjaeger
Nice! My Lady and I drooled over that. Her dream truck is a bright red Ford 4x4 pickup.
Unfortunately, that's a lot of green- we could get a crew cab F250 4x4 set up like we want for less. Just a bare-bones F150 4x4 regular cab is still way too much money- over $500 a month!! And of course you can't get the options you want without other expensive upgrades. Ford doesn't even offer a V6, much less a rugged and easy to maintain
straight six like a work truck ought to have.
The only way I'm going to get the truck I want is to design and build it myself from the ground up.
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:13 am
by jack c
Yeah, Ford didn't take any government money, and they are probably glad as hell right now. Their vehicles are superior to GM and Chrysler in general, inferior to Honda and Toyota. We'll see what happens, but as an engineer at an American steel mill, I am rooting for them.
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:27 am
by nachtjaeger
Driving a 98 Honda Civic right now. 117K on the clock. Repair cost last year (first year of ownership): $0. My '98 Explorer with fewer miles was eating us alive in repair costs, and the MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) was unacceptably short.
jack c wrote:Yeah, Ford didn't take any government money, and they are probably glad as hell right now. Their vehicles are superior to GM and Chrysler in general, inferior to Honda and Toyota. We'll see what happens, but as an engineer at an American steel mill, I am rooting for them.
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:06 am
by Robert
jack c wrote: inferior to Honda and Toyota.
I respect the opinion of an engineer but I wouldn't bet on that either. If it is true I wouldn't want to live on the difference.
Robert
Re: F-150 Raptor
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:49 am
by nachtjaeger
Believe it or not, Toyota has actually had some quality problems with their Tundra V8 pickups.
What shocks me about the quality (or lack thereof) of recent US made vehicles is the fact that there is no reason for it. I keep seeing part failures caused not by engineers, designers or manufacturing, but by 'bean counters'. Cheaper metals substituted in castings, inferior fasteners, lighter gauge wiring, thinner sheet metal, you name it. Unfortunately for GM, the bean counters counted the beans wrong, the defective vehicles didn't last to the end of the warranty, and sales dropped like a rock. I could go on for pages about such horror stories as GM alternators, our GMC Safari, our friends' Dodge Durango (on its second motor and third transmission). . .
With today's technology, vehicles should wear out, but they shouldn't break down. I don't want to be in a situation where I'm still making a $500 a month car payment and starting to get hit with $500 a month in vehicle repairs plus time lost from work.