Types of quicksand

[Duncan Edwards]

Dealing with another language can be difficult. A Russian sentence can be poetry compared to English so it's kind of a challenge to translate. American English is so full of colloquialisms that it becomes even more difficult. If I were to lapse completely into my native dialect I doubt certain native English speakers could understand me. Let's practice some patience on that and leave moderating to the mods. Thanks.

As for variations in the stuff we refer to as "quicksand" it's all determined by a huge number of variables that make it difficult to be specific. I take whatever I can find.

[ghostofmyeyes]

Right...I was wrong. Confused the heroines.

Alas. I was wondering if I was about to learn of another legendary quicksand demise heretofore unknown outside of Russia. I like to imagine there are a few yet.

[John1212]

Right...I was wrong. Confused the heroines.

Alas. I was wondering if I was about to learn of another legendary quicksand demise heretofore unknown outside of Russia. I like to imagine there are a few yet.

Да. Это весьма уникальная сцена. В принципе, если не брать кинематограф, гибель в болоте не так часта. Я знаю только два,ну три. " Собака Баскервилей", " А зори здесь тихие" и " Лунный камень". Последний просто знаю. Хотя нет. ещё знаю - в одной из книжек " Вселенной метро 2033" один из героев,после нападения мутанта и тонет ( Книга " интересах революции" персонаж Пьер).

Yes. It's a very unique scene. In principle, if you do not take cinema, death in a swamp is not so frequent. I only know two, well, three. "The Hound of the Baskervilles", "And the dawns are quiet here" and "Moonstone". I just know the last one. Although not. I also know that in one of the books "Metro Universe 2033" one of the characters drowns after being attacked by a mutant (the book "in the interests of revolution" character Pierre).

[Boggy Man]

Ну для грубой справки. Зыбучие пески - смесь глины и песка. И следовательно,чем больше глины,тем более хваткая грязь.
Плюс любая достаточно грустная грязь, может удержать.
А что насчёт глубины... тут сложнее. Нужна такая смесь,в которой у вас будет низкий коэффициент плавучести. В идеале отрицательный. Но это значит утонуть. Так что ради безопасности лучше, чтобы он был положительный. Немного.
Правда, тогда выходит что грязь достаточно жидкая....
Хотя, если подготовиться можно и в более опасную нырять. Но это рискованно. Очень. Малейшая оплошность и вы последуете судьбе Риты. Единственное, что возможно вы будите при этом чуток испытывать возбуждение,а не только страх.
Но вряд-ли вам этого хочется.

What kind of BS is that?
Maybe some Mod can intervene and delete that user?

Can I tell you exactly what the nonsense is? I may be using some terms incorrectly, but in general it seems to me that there is nothing wrong with my words. Quicksand is a mixture of clay and sand. Buoyancy is Archimedes' law in a different way. Plus the laws of density of substances.

I was referring to the translation. I don't get what you want to say. Why do you post russian in the first place?

Looking at the posted screen shot, it looks like translate.google.com thought the source text was in a different language that was not Russian. The above Russian text should have translated to:

Well, for a rough reference. Quicksand is a mixture of clay and sand. And therefore, the more clay, the more tenacious the mud.
Plus any fairly sad mud can hold.
And what about depth... it's more complicated. You need a mixture in which you will have a low buoyancy coefficient. Ideally negative. But that means drowning. So for safety's sake, it's better for it to be positive. A little.
True, then it turns out that the mud is quite liquid....
Although, if you prepare, you can dive into more dangerous water. But it's risky. Very risky. The slightest mistake and you will follow Rita's fate. The only thing is that you might feel a little excited, not just afraid.
But you hardly want that.

[bogbud]

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[John1212]

Looking at the posted screen shot, it looks like translate.google.com thought the source text was in a different language that was not Russian. The above Russian text should have translated to:

Well, for a rough reference. Quicksand is a mixture of clay and sand. And therefore, the more clay, the more tenacious the mud.
Plus any fairly sad mud can hold.
And what about depth... it's more complicated. You need a mixture in which you will have a low buoyancy coefficient. Ideally negative. But that means drowning. So for safety's sake, it's better for it to be positive. A little.
True, then it turns out that the mud is quite liquid....
Although, if you prepare, you can dive into more dangerous water. But it's risky. Very risky. The slightest mistake and you will follow Rita's fate. The only thing is that you might feel a little excited, not just afraid.
But you hardly want that.

It said Russian for me, very strange. It's better now, as he is posting his translation now, too.
The text itself is quite right.

Except, the negative buoyancy. I doubt there is any natural location or substance that has something like that. On the other hand, i did encounter something vaguely similar when i did went for a sink in that forest-bog i did post about in the photo-section. It was a very dry summer and the level of ground-water was exceptionally low. The upper layer of peat was quite loose and there must have been lots of pockets of air in between. Sinking through that was so easy! The layer of thick and still watery mud was much deeper, too. Did you ever encounter something like that at your bog, too?

I've never had a chance to move in. Most of my dives were in the ashes. And when it came to natural ones, they were with water. Although they were covered with a layer of dirt and plants on the surface (You can see something similar in Boggy Man videos). But yes, I exaggerated a bit. and I forgot about one more thing - suction. When there is a vacuum between the body and the dirt, below the surface. Here he is even more dangerous, because he is already pushing much harder under the dirt. It's basically ruining it. Of course, if you panic madly. It's not for nothing that they say that if you fall into a quagmire, you need to freeze. And get out very slowly.

[Black Clay Lord]

What types of quicksand do you guys think can (suck) you deeper the easiest or can create a really strong grip on you

If you want my personal opinion, I say clay.

[Boggy Man]

Looking at the posted screen shot, it looks like translate.google.com thought the source text was in a different language that was not Russian. The above Russian text should have translated to:

Well, for a rough reference. Quicksand is a mixture of clay and sand. And therefore, the more clay, the more tenacious the mud.
Plus any fairly sad mud can hold.
And what about depth... it's more complicated. You need a mixture in which you will have a low buoyancy coefficient. Ideally negative. But that means drowning. So for safety's sake, it's better for it to be positive. A little.
True, then it turns out that the mud is quite liquid....
Although, if you prepare, you can dive into more dangerous water. But it's risky. Very risky. The slightest mistake and you will follow Rita's fate. The only thing is that you might feel a little excited, not just afraid.
But you hardly want that.

It said Russian for me, very strange. It's better now, as he is posting his translation now, too.
The text itself is quite right.

Except, the negative buoyancy. I doubt there is any natural location or substance that has something like that. On the other hand, i did encounter something vaguely similar when i did went for a sink in that forest-bog i did post about in the photo-section. It was a very dry summer and the level of ground-water was exceptionally low. The upper layer of peat was quite loose and there must have been lots of pockets of air in between. Sinking through that was so easy! The layer of thick and still watery mud was much deeper, too. Did you ever encounter something like that at your bog, too?

If there were pockets of air, then disturbing the mire would cause it to really let out lots of farts, deflating the air pockets in contact with you, so it would be less "airy" as you struggled. The main thing that can make you keep sinking deeper is the mud getting thicker higher up, and thinner deeper down, where the density gradient results in more resistance raising your feet (or arms) up than pushing them down deeper. Any kind of stiff-bottomed footwear worn also alters the dynamics, since it can pull you down deeper due to more flat-bottomed suction resistance when you try pulling up than when you are pushing down.

Most of my bogs tended to get thicker deeper down, especially with my main bog, but it does even out later in the season when things thicken enough. But, in some cases, there are exceptions. Back in 2012, my main bog did have a pocket of water (or watery mud) deeper down earlier in the season, but it was temporary. Late in the season one year, the south end of my pond had mud that had a thicker layer on top of a looser layer, but it was thicker again lower down.

Many years ago (somewhere around mid-80's), I did encounter a part of a meadow south of Kamloops BC, that had animal (cattle?) bones scattered around. Then, nearby, I came across a roughly 6 foot wide patch of mud that was bulging higher in the middle, in front of some large willows. I stuck a long pole into it, and the mud farted, and I couldn't find any bottom. So, I anxiously got myself all prepared for a nice sink, and then stepped into the middle. It was nice and thick, and I slowly sank deeper up to my crotch, and kept on sinking. But then, when thick mire rose to my waist, the mud beneath my feet suddenly dropped away, leaving my feet dangling in water! Then, peaty water started bubbling up around me, and I started to sink faster, and had to struggle to keep from getting sucked under! At chest deep, cradling my body around the layer of thick mud, chest forward on top, legs bent forward underneath that layer of mud above the water, I exploded with the mud rising up to my shoulders before finally crawling out of the peaty watery hole in the mud and over the thicker mud to solid ground. When I experienced that, I quickly knew where the bones came from!

[dlodoski]

It said Russian for me, very strange. It's better now, as he is posting his translation now, too.
The text itself is quite right. ...

All of this is kind of a circus.

I literally ran the post through Google Translate before I approved it in the first place (got the same result Boggyman did).

I suggest reporting posts that seem disagreeable. Cuts down on this sort of public conundrum.

[bogbud]

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